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Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1374	Posted - 2013.03.19 01:06:00 - [1] - Quote Insofar as the ganker can figure out how to make it profitable, yes. E: Also, that quote is out of context, there's a "they" that isn't clear in the first sentence. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1374	Posted - 2013.03.19 01:10:00 - [2] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: It's like the cheapest troll there is. That's all OP will ever amount to. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1378	Posted - 2013.03.19 17:05:00 - [3] - Quote Tippia wrote: Even so, PvP can be plenty profitable if you can avoid being blown up. You're still looking at a couple of tens of millions in T2 modules and salvage (especially if you killed a T2 ship) if you win the fight. This. Even small gang and solo fights generate a lot of loot. **, I scoop pretty much any loot I find lying around and salvage when I can. If you head out into facwar space specifically to salvage and loot you can sometimes make quite a bit if you're daring enough. The best part is when you're flying some trade route and scoop gank ship loot; those meta 1400mm guns are worth a decent chunk. People leave ** lying around all the time; if they're not going to clean up after themselves, I certainly will. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1378	Posted - 2013.03.19 17:16:00 - [4] - Quote Whitehound wrote: cause someone else a greater loss than your own Incidentally, this is the best way to wage war. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1378	Posted - 2013.03.19 17:47:00 - [5] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Karl Hobb wrote: Whitehound wrote: cause someone else a greater loss than your own Incidentally, this is the best way to wage war. In a pyrrhus war, where nobody wins, is this true. In any war situation is is preferable to do more damage to the enemy than they do to you. It would be the height of idiocy to engineer a fight in such a way to even the odds. Whitehound wrote: But why let one month old players in cheap destroyers do this? How would we balance the game in such a way that one month old players couldn't gank people in cheap destroyers but could still get ahead in the game skillwise? That makes no sense in a sandbox environment where players define their own goals. Whitehound wrote: With whom could they possibly be at war? Everybody. EVE is a PvP sandbox where nearly everyone is in competition with everyone else. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1379	Posted - 2013.03.19 19:38:00 - [6] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: What is it hurting? And where is your proof of the damage this game play element is inflicting? An interesting question. It is probably hurting everything else. Explain. Whitehound wrote: These gankers could be doing something else, which could be anything and as such would contribute to all other areas of the game. They could populate low-sec, help grind sov. in 0.0, join the militias or just RvB to support their activities. Gankers are part of what makes high-sec as unsafe as it currently is. If ganking were not allowed, high-sec would essentially be perfectly safe, which would likely destroy the EVE economy. You still have yet to show a compelling reason why ganking shouldn't be allowed. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1379	Posted - 2013.03.19 20:09:00 - [7] - Quote Whitehound wrote: A play style where it only matters to have the smaller loss than the targets. For-profit gankers do exactly the same thing, minimize the loss for maximum gain. Whitehound wrote: I am only asking why it should be allowed as I have not seen anyone giving a good reason for it. I have yet to see a good reason to remove it. E: Since such ganking still provides a vital function to the economy. That is, churning of the mineral market, at the very least. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1382	Posted - 2013.03.20 19:14:00 - [8] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Should a bunch of torandos be able to take out a Tengu? Sure you bet. Should they be able able to profit from it? Hell no. wat So what you're saying is that no loot should ever drop from any ship, ever. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1383	Posted - 2013.03.20 19:57:00 - [9] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: That's exactly what he's saying, and I'm sure you can see how bloody insane the idea is. Please refer to my comment on page 1 regarding OP. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1385	Posted - 2013.03.20 21:19:00 - [10] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: I said perhaps a way to achieve the no profit would be to make it cargo only drop as a possible solution. So some mission runner who loses a ship to NPCs shouldn't be able to go back and possibly get a few of their modules? What about PVPers who gain the field and get a chance to recoup some of their losses through loot drops? It makes no sense and it's stupid because most ganking for profit is done against haulers which have the majority of the wealth in the cargo bay. HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Go back to page one post one in reference to Dev Soundwave quote. You quoted it out of context, so there's no reason to refer back to it. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.

Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1387	Posted - 2013.03.21 04:49:00 - [11] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: So you donGÇÖt think CCP is smart enough to code to where you could get your own sheet back? That was just thrown out there as possible. Again I understand you oppose the idea and want to find micro fault with everything but I have faith CCP could work it out should they choose. So what about if someone gets ganked and they ask their friends to scoop the loot? Oh wait, they got ganked so no one can scoop the loot because that would mean someone could profit. I turn down idiotic ideas like this every week at my job because edge cases result in terrible code that is very hard to maintain. HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Also it isnGÇÖt out of text. It is. The Soundwave quote was specifically referring to exhumers and barges (indirectly, IIRC). You misrepresented it as a blanket statement against any profitable ganking. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1388	Posted - 2013.03.21 16:44:00 - [12] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Bottom line here is DEV Soundwave said he felt ganking should be possible but not profitable I agreee with him. Argue with him about. "Hi, I'm losing an argument so I'll keep misrepresenting a Soundwave quote." I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1390	Posted - 2013.03.21 18:33:00 - [13] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: Abrazzar wrote: It's like the cheapest troll there is. That's all OP will ever amount to. Still apropos. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1392	Posted - 2013.03.22 13:49:00 - [14] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: 16 pages in a trollthread and it only needed a small quote put out of context and you morons keep going Apparently calling a troll a troll in a troll thread constitutes a personal attack, so instead people entertain themselves. vOv I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.

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